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| Do you think that Office2007 ribbon GUI is good for an editor ? |
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| No, it's a bad idea |
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| Other (please comment your choice in a post) |
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octal
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| Office 2007 GUI for an IDE - What do you think ? |
 Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:35 am |
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Hi,
I'm still working on a new dev environment for CCS compiler. I'm trying to find all ways to make users of the new IDE as productive as possible, and make working with the great CCS compiler as easy as with MSVisual C++.
I just want your opinion about something concerning the User Interface (GUI) for a development environment (IDE).
Do you think that an Office 2007 ribbon like GUI, if well managed and options well organized, is well suited for such task ?
Or do you prefer to stick with the old gui with menus and toolbars?
Please, answer the Poll, and give your comments.
Regards
octal
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octal
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:16 am |
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No much answers. I wonder how much users are using the ribbon interface in the new IDE 
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libor
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:01 am |
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just thinking...
...if I get it right MS Visual Studio 2008 IDE Shell is available for any application to be based upon it. ...both as a plug-in, or as a standalone application also.
What about a PIC compiler/debugger/simulator integrated into the Visual Studio IDE... ...if written well, this might be the non-plus-ultra IDE for any microcontroller.
Please find the link to Visual Studio Extensibility here |
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octal
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:12 am |
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Yes I know about the VS Plugin sdk, and for having working a lot on other SDK, I think that Eclipse Plugin Engine is cleaner and better done.
The problem with a solution based on VS is that:
1- users can not use a little PC for their hobby dev anymore (professionnal users are another category of users)
2- You MUST have .NET runtime running on your PC
3- Microsoft licenses and deployment requirements are changing from day to day, and worse is that in last licenses (if you read them entirely) they let you agree on the fact that you agree with MS terms of license, and worse that you agree with the fact Micrsoft still has the right to change the license agreements in the future and you have to change your product to suit future changes in terms. This is what I call a "commercial suicide" for any new dev company!
This is why I'm trying to provide just a light weiht, clean and independant IDE with all needed features and that will be sold at a little contribution (About 30 ~35 euro max).
I want to bring the comfort and easyness of software dev that Visual Studio provide at a little price and without being or letting user being dependant of Microsoft !
Regards
octal
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Douglas Kennedy
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:41 pm |
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| Why mess with what works? We have a reasonable interface in the CCS IDE already. Any development using a licensed MS product gives MS the right to choose its rights. Not much of a problem if you plan on never making money. But what if you came up with a killer app worth millions how soon do you think you it would be before Redmond muscled in on it? |
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PCM programmer
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:00 pm |
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| Quote: | | I wonder how much users are using the ribbon interface in the new IDE |
You don't have to use the ribbon menus. CCS added an option to
use the old menu style, in February 2007:
| Quote: | | 4.024 The IDE now includes an option to use classic menus instead of the new ribbons |
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octal
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:11 pm |
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| PCM programmer wrote: |
You don't have to use the ribbon menus. CCS added an option to
use the old menu style, in February 2007 |
Hi PCM,
Thank you, I know that. What I meant is that I really want to know (this is the subject of the post) if users mostly switched to old menu style or if they are using the ribbon gui. I personnaly prefer the ribbon GUI (althought I think it can be reorganized better), and if I implement an editor, I'll for sure NOT provide both. CCS team has done a great job by providing both, but I'll not do that. I personnaly think that if the ribbon is the way to go, users HAVE to change their habbits. This is the way Microsoft does in Office2007, and it's not to annoy users, but because Microsoft really think that the ribbon GUI makes people more productive (and I think the same). I personnaly have not the CCS team commercial constraints (I have no costumer to loose), so I think that I have not to provide both, I'll provide only ONE gui. This is the aim of this post !!!
Regards
octal
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PCM programmer
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:24 pm |
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At least 50% of all users hate the ribbon menus. That's why CCS
supplied both. If you want to stay in business you have to give the
customer what they want. If you don't, somebody else will, and you
will be out of business. Recent example -- Microsoft tried to force
people to use Vista. Many people don't want this, and insist their
new computer has XP on it.
My advice -- if you want a new IDE for yourself, then write one.
Other people will do whatever they want to do. |
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octal
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:28 pm |
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| PCM programmer wrote: |
My advice -- if you want a new IDE for yourself, then write one.
Other people will do whatever they want to do. |
Yes PCM, this is not a commercial product. I want to build one for my own needs, but if other users can be interrested is supporting the effort, I can make it as a shareware (as was the case for GLCD Font Creator).
This is why making all users happy is not really a concern for me, I just wanted to know about the reaction of developpers to ribbon GUI in development tools (as CCS is the first company who really succeeded at implementing it in an IDE).
Regards
octal
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