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Measuring a single cell in a multi cell battery pack

 
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JohnKennedy



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Measuring a single cell in a multi cell battery pack
PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:58 am     Reply with quote

Hi

I need to be able to measure the individual voltage of each cell in a multi cell lithium battery pack. The standard availble IC's for doing this only go to a maximum of 4 cells and I need to measure 9.

Is there any way I can use a PIC for this?

The problem I can't seem to get my head around is that the PIC measures it's voltage on the A/D referenced to ground and I need to measure each cell voltage Individually not cumatively to perform cell balancing.

Anyone got any ideas

TIA

JFK
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:47 am     Reply with quote

Are the batteries wired in series?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:58 am     Reply with quote

asmallri wrote:
Are the batteries wired in series?


Yes 9 cells in series and I need to measure each individual cell.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:09 am     Reply with quote

If you have plenty of PIC pins, wire each battery junction, via a suitable (preferably constant) resistor divider to an A/D input. Assume we are measuring battery x in the string. Battery voltage of X = voltage of junction x.y - voltage of junction w.x
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:28 am     Reply with quote

I would use:

1) Resistor divider coming from each cell junction. ( @ 1% tolerance)
The key is get 4.00 V max in the AD front end.
2) Analog multiplexer to collect all 9 resistor dividerīs into one AD converter.
3) 12 Bit AD Converter. With 1mV resolution itīs a matter of single math to know the
voltage in each individual cell.


Humberto


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:30 am     Reply with quote

Thanks Andrew new there had to be a relatively simple answer but I was damned if I could think of it.

thanks again

JFK
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:24 pm     Reply with quote

The best way would be to use multiple level shifting differential op-amps, with unity gain, feeding separate adc inputs.

Just using a resisive divider, and subtracting one cell's voltage from the next will decrease the resolution of your measurements.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:40 pm     Reply with quote

guest wrote:
The best way would be to use multiple level shifting differential op-amps, with unity gain, feeding separate adc inputs.

Just using a resisive divider, and subtracting one cell's voltage from the next will decrease the resolution of your measurements.


The resolution can be increased even further, if the differential amps have a gain A > 1. The maximum cell voltage (around 4.2V, probably) will correspond to 5V output of the diff amp and 1023 a/d counts.

Alternatively, one can use an external reference voltage equal to the max cel voltage.
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