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Lm35 Adc accurate

 
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Onur



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Lm35 Adc accurate
PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 6:54 am     Reply with quote

I'm using lm35 and adc answer changing like this.
25-26-25-32-25-26-20-26-25
I can't read properly lm35 directly connected to pic.
I used 10 bit res. and adc clock divide 32.

When I use pot nothing change.

(I used ds1820 perfectly working).
Have you got any other idea about temperature measurement.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 7:27 am     Reply with quote

Is the power supply clean? The LM35 is basically just a shunt so ripple on the powre supply will come right on through to your measurement.

The LM35 datasheet has some suggestions for noisy environments, as I recall.

Also, the noise might increase if you are current starving the shunt because the resistor is too large.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 1:26 pm     Reply with quote

yes, try to put an elco (10-100µF/16V) across the power supply (after the voltage regulator if there is one, even when you use batteries). I had the same problem with an LM335 recently. See?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:27 pm     Reply with quote

I have used the LM335(derivative of LM35) and one of the most important things was the current drive. It wants to operate between 400uA and 5mA, so you want to make sure you select a (bias) resistor that assures this.

For example if you were to operate at +5VDC:
Rmax = (5-4)/(0.0004), where 4 is the device voltage at maximum temp
Rmin = (5-2)/(.005), where 2 is the device voltage at minimum temp
such that,
Rmax = 2.5kohms
Rmin = 600ohms
Selecting 1kohm(for example) in this case makes sure that you operate it in the middle of its range.

On top of this, you have to make sure that what it drives is as high impedance as possible, such that it does not alter its operating point (specially if you're operating in one of the corner cases). Interfacing ADCs directly to such analog(low impedance) sensors is always a cause of grief. The ADCs inherent sampling operation will cause variations in the operating point of the sensor. ADI and TI have excellent notes on this (see Sensor Signal Conditioning form ADI as reference).

To overcome this you need to buffer(condition) your sensor. You do this using OPAMPs, or you can use a simple RC network.

Hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:42 pm     Reply with quote

Like others have said, add some good C across teh power supply and add a buffer op amp between the LM35 and the PIC. I've used the LM34 for years in this setup doing remote energy control systems.It's been rock stable.I actually use 2 10R in series with 10Mfd caps at each junction.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:15 am     Reply with quote

i use LM35 and 0.1 C resolution.
0...102.3 C

lm35 + filter +5X gain (OP07) + filter

very good result...

set_adc_channel(0);
delay_ms(1);

this code very important. For charge cond.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 7:06 am     Reply with quote

Quote:
set_adc_channel(0);
delay_ms(1);


Actually the delay you must use after the call to set_adc_channel() depends on the device you use and the clock frequency. A PIC18xx2 with 10MHz crystal + PLL needs about 10µs to sample the channel.
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