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Neutone



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Simple PID control
PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2001 4:12 pm     Reply with quote

This is turned out to be a really easy way to impliment a PID control.
All variables are floats

//PID PWM calculation routine for SupplyTemperature

errorNOW = Setpoint - SupplyTemperature;
PWMonTIME = PWMonTIME + (PWMp * errorNOW ) + (PWMi * (errorNOW - (PWMd * (errorNOW - errorLAST))));
errorLAST = errorNOW;
if (PWMon > 190) PWMon = 190; //maximum on time
if (PWMon < 10) PWMon =10; //minimum on time
PWMoff = 200 - PWMon;
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Neutone....Re: Simple PID control
PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:49 am     Reply with quote

Neutone,
Since i have to maintain temperature at around 405 degrees F, i looked at your past post. I'm new to PID, and am wondering the following:
1. PWMp*errorNOW is obviously your Proportional Term.
2. PWMi * (errorNOW)
3. PWMd*(errorNOW -errorLAST) looks like your Derivative Term.

What I don't understand is why do you multiply PWMi with the Derivative stuff too?
Looking at a bunch of ESP magazines, I see that the Integral Term is theoretically calculated by: Ki*sum_of_errors.

Is this a "quasi PID" algorithm you simplified that is good for your particular application?

Thanks,
Mike



Neutone wrote:
This is turned out to be a really easy way to impliment a PID control.
All variables are floats

Code:

//PID PWM calculation routine for SupplyTemperature

errorNOW = Setpoint - SupplyTemperature;
PWMonTIME = PWMonTIME + (PWMp * errorNOW ) + (PWMi * (errorNOW - (PWMd * (errorNOW - errorLAST))));
errorLAST = errorNOW;
if (PWMon > 190) PWMon = 190;    //maximum on time
if (PWMon < 10) PWMon =10;       //minimum on time
PWMoff = 200 - PWMon;


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Neutone



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Re: Neutone....Re: Simple PID control
PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:36 pm     Reply with quote

valemike wrote:
Neutone,
Since i have to maintain temperature at around 405 degrees F, i looked at your past post. I'm new to PID, and am wondering the following:
1. PWMp*errorNOW is obviously your Proportional Term.
2. PWMi * (errorNOW)
3. PWMd*(errorNOW -errorLAST) looks like your Derivative Term.

What I don't understand is why do you multiply PWMi with the Derivative stuff too?
Looking at a bunch of ESP magazines, I see that the Integral Term is theoretically calculated by: Ki*sum_of_errors.

Is this a "quasi PID" algorithm you simplified that is good for your particular application?

Thanks,
Mike



Neutone wrote:
This is turned out to be a really easy way to impliment a PID control.
All variables are floats

Code:

//PID PWM calculation routine for SupplyTemperature

errorNOW = Setpoint - SupplyTemperature;
PWMonTIME = PWMonTIME + (PWMp * errorNOW ) + (PWMi * (errorNOW - (PWMd * (errorNOW - errorLAST))));
errorLAST = errorNOW;
if (PWMon > 190) PWMon = 190;    //maximum on time
if (PWMon < 10) PWMon =10;       //minimum on time
PWMoff = 200 - PWMon;


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I don't really remember. It was 3 and a half years ago. I do remember that it has to be called a a periodic rate. I also think you may have over simplified what I posted. I think I took a formula with the P, I and D terms solved seperately and combined the I and D terms so that it would run faster. I do remember that it took a good bit of research to arive at that formula. It's like the difference in finding the slope between two points on a curve and finding the slope at a single point on a curve. Because you perform the process at a fixed rate this works. I was going to use just P but I had greate difficulty with temperature osilation due the the laitency of the temperature readings. This formula worked for me. The only hard part is experimentaly solving for P I and D.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:30 pm     Reply with quote

Yes mike, normally, we can compute PID like Kp, Ki, Kd, but in some case, they use Kp (1 + Ki' (...) + Kd' (...)). But in this case, it's so strange. And it must be something wrong.

I finished my PID position controller with great results, and I think with uC software controller, we should compute directly.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:22 pm     Reply with quote

thx..
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