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Arakel
Joined: 06 Aug 2016 Posts: 107 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:02 am |
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This might not be a question for here, but what do you think about AVR, is it similar to CCS, maybe I should learn it after CCS? _________________ Yo! I love learning and technology! I just do not have experience so do not be angry if I ask a stupid question about a detail! From so much to remember sometimes I forget the details in order to remember the big problems! |
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temtronic
Joined: 01 Jul 2010 Posts: 9177 Location: Greensville,Ontario
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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:10 am |
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consider...the AVR is hardware, CCS is software
It would be better if you learned the PIC since you're using the CCS C compiler. I've been using PICs and CCS for 25+ years and still learn new things everyday.
Some of the micros I programmed include 4004,8008,6800,68hc11,z80,8031/51,6809 most in assembler,basic,C.
Frankly there is nothing an AVR can do that a PIC can't do.better !
Depending on your skill and determination it can take decades to KNOW any micro and language. The better youundrstand how the hardware works, the easier you can code to make it do what you want. By all means see what the 'other guys' are doing.
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Arakel
Joined: 06 Aug 2016 Posts: 107 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:22 am |
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I think I made an auto-goal with this question.
Sorry! I meant to ask is the programming similar. I think its with IAR and are 16 or 32-bit microcontrollers. They offer me a job with it and I dont think I will find exactly PIC programming, despite that I want to.
Now that you mentioned the hardware! Is the hardware between different microcontrollers that different? Especially between PIC and AVR, isnt it Harvard Architecture of complete division between program and data memory? Probably also special function registers and normal registers? _________________ Yo! I love learning and technology! I just do not have experience so do not be angry if I ask a stupid question about a detail! From so much to remember sometimes I forget the details in order to remember the big problems! |
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Ttelmah
Joined: 11 Mar 2010 Posts: 19381
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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:31 am |
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Yes.
However there are so many little differences.
Look at the PIC's. Every single one is a little different.
The AVR has some real strangeness's, (just as the PIC does).
Different address ranges for the pointer registers for example. Ugh!...
It's a bit like the differences between a motor bike and a car. Both go along the same road, and the highway code will be the same. However the controls on each are very different, and one is much better in traffic, while the other is more comfortable on long trips.
Some lessons will be common to both, but a lot won't be.
Note how many times we have to tell people that you can't use a particular Arduino device, quite the same way on a PIC.... |
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Arakel
Joined: 06 Aug 2016 Posts: 107 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:43 am |
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I did not meant to insult PIC in any way. I just wanted to know if I can use this offer. I understand that there will be differences and my professor told me Arduino will not last long. I see that you hate Arduino as well.
I just need to make my situation in the best way possible and if I can get enough from this I will use it. If this is useful to learn the general programming even, or for something, I can use it. if not it will just be a job like any other that will not involve programming, so I see no reason to refuse, because they pay more than being a customer support agent.
I study things by myself and I will keep on with PIC. What difficulties can there be the most in this situation? Sorry I did not meant to offend any of you, by your fast reaction time I see this is an interrupt request for lighting a "Warn" LED. _________________ Yo! I love learning and technology! I just do not have experience so do not be angry if I ask a stupid question about a detail! From so much to remember sometimes I forget the details in order to remember the big problems! |
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gjs_rsdi
Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 468 Location: Bali
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:47 am |
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Arakel
I don't think Ttelmah is insulted
He just stated a few facts
While still working with assembler, I spent 3 months to try migrating from PIC to AVR as some friends told me that AVR are faster and better.
I learnt the hardware and AVR assembler, wrote some softwares, after the 3 months I got to conclusion that:
* I liked the PIC hardware more than AVR and for many reasons
* I liked the PIC assembler more than the AVR assembler
I am not sorry about the 3 months spent, it just enforced my opinion that I should stay with the PIC's
It not means you should stick to PIC. I am just writing about my experience
By the way, you know that today AVR is Microchip also?
Best wishes
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Arakel
Joined: 06 Aug 2016 Posts: 107 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:17 am |
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gjs_rsdi wrote: | Arakel
I don't think Ttelmah is insulted
He just stated a few facts
While still working with assembler, I spent 3 months to try migrating from PIC to AVR as some friends told me that AVR are faster and better.
I learnt the hardware and AVR assembler, wrote some softwares, after the 3 months I got to conclusion that:
* I liked the PIC hardware more than AVR and for many reasons
* I liked the PIC assembler more than the AVR assembler
I am not sorry about the 3 months spent, it just enforced my opinion that I should stay with the PIC's
It not means you should stick to PIC. I am just writing about my experience
By the way, you know that today AVR is Microchip also?
Best wishes
Joe |
I like PIC, too. I just dont have many options.
I did not know AVR is from Microchip also. If its so why arent they developing both controllers in the same direction? _________________ Yo! I love learning and technology! I just do not have experience so do not be angry if I ask a stupid question about a detail! From so much to remember sometimes I forget the details in order to remember the big problems! |
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Ttelmah
Joined: 11 Mar 2010 Posts: 19381
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:12 pm |
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AVR, is Atmel.
Microchip make some chips using the AVR core 'under license'.
They also do chips using 8051 cores as well. |
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jeremiah
Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 1329
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:15 pm |
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Arakel wrote: |
I like PIC, too. I just dont have many options.
I did not know AVR is from Microchip also. If its so why arent they developing both controllers in the same direction? |
Microchip just bought Atmel, the owner of AVR recently. |
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gjs_rsdi
Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 468 Location: Bali
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:13 am |
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Quote: | Microchip just bought Atmel, the owner of AVR recently |
What I wanted to say is that in my opinion if Atmel were the better, they were buying Microchip
If you go to Microchip SELECTOR
http://www.microchip.com/maps/microcontroller.aspx
You find now also the Atmel controllers in the possible options
Quote: | If its so why arent they developing both controllers in the same direction? |
Those 2 microcontrollers families are very different animals.
So they options are to continue with the AVR that have a big market or to scrap them.
They decided to continue with them
Best wishes
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