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Why can't I generate pulses with pwm? help please
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:38 pm     Reply with quote

Try a simple test program for pwm on CCP2. See if you get anything
on the oscilloscope.
Code:

#include <16F873.H>
#fuses XT, NOWDT, BROWNOUT, PUT, NOLVP
#use delay(clock=4000000)

//=====================================
void main(void)
{
setup_ccp2(CCP_PWM);   
setup_timer_2(T2_DIV_BY_1, 255, 1);       
set_pwm2_duty(128);

while(1); 
}
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:21 pm     Reply with quote

PWM requires the use of timer resources. When dealing with timers always mention the clock speed. It helps in sorting out issues. The relevant equations are:
Code:
(Tpwm)=4(Tosc)(Prescale)(PR2+1)

or
Code:
(Fpwm)=(Fosc)/(4.(Prescale)(PR2+1))

And,
Code:
(Ton)=(duty value)(Tosc)(Prescale)
Depending on your clock speed, it is possible that the output is always high; ie, if Ton>Tpwm. I don't know what your clock speed is, so I can't troubleshoot.

Rohit
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:36 am     Reply with quote

I wrote:
I don't know what your clock speed is, so I can't troubleshoot
I was just doing a little bit of algebraic rearrangement and I realized that although knowing Fosc is important, if it's just a quick check that you want to make, you don't _need_ it, per se. Just make sure that
Code:
  (Tpwm)                    >  (Ton)
» 4(Tosc)(Prescale)(PR2+1)  >  (duty value)(Tosc)(Prescale)
» 4(PR2+1)                  >  (duty value)

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:30 am     Reply with quote

first of all thank you,pcm programmer;but it just did not work. i know your coding is true, i also know my codes were true but i can not get the right result Smile the interesting part is that i can get what i want with 18f pics, but i can not get it with various 16f pics,like 16f628a,16f877,16f870 and 16f872. even a simple led blinking problem is not working with 16f's where as there is no problem for 18f's :D i think it may come from program (?).
i use ccs picc PCWHD compiler. may the problem come from this?

rohit i also thank you, my clock speed was 4MHz, i tried various speeds but i can not get anything. i also tried external clock with crystal and capasitors,but i did not work again. Smile

an interesting problem and i am about to go crazy :D

by the way,you should advise to use 18f pics :D but i am to program a 16f872 pic which the pcb is ready Smile so i am limited with pin numbers and circuit schematic Smile
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Re: Why can't I generate pulses with pwm? help please
PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:41 am     Reply with quote

memoally wrote:
Hi everyone. I use 16f873. Our aim is to use pwm module of this pic for a project. But I can't generate pulses with this PIC although I can use pwm modules for other pics (e.g. 18f4620, 18f4431). I tried a simple network to generate pulse with via external interrupt but it failed. I request you to help me to find where the problem is or which part of code or network is wrong? Here is the code:
Code:

#include "C:\ccsc pic uygulamalar\kendi uygulamalarım\ uyg4_for_pwm.h"
int duty;
#int_EXT
void  EXT_isr(void)
{
   duty=duty+10;
   set_pwm2_duty(duty);
}

void main()
{
   setup_adc_ports(NO_ANALOGS);
   setup_adc(ADC_OFF);
   setup_spi(SPI_SS_DISABLED);
   setup_timer_0(RTCC_INTERNAL|RTCC_DIV_1);
   setup_timer_1(T1_DISABLED);
   setup_timer_2(T2_DIV_BY_16,255,1);
   setup_ccp2(CCP_PWM);
   set_pwm2_duty(10);
   enable_interrupts(INT_EXT);
   ext_int_edge(H_TO_L);
   enable_interrupts(GLOBAL);
   
   set_tris_c(0x00);
   while(1);
}

This code has no fuse and clock speed settings. How can it work? Why don't you try a simple program WITH the #fuse and clock settings and just try using a simple delay statement to turn a pin on high and low at a 1 second interval. You can check it on the scope.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:09 am     Reply with quote

Where do you know there is no fuse options? There is a header file you see? I can set them in the program menu, and it creates which fuses will be used or not, here it is:
Code:

#include <16F873.h>
#device adc=8

#FUSES NOWDT                    //No Watch Dog Timer
#FUSES RC                       //Resistor/Capacitor Osc with CLKOUT
#FUSES NOPUT                    //No Power Up Timer
#FUSES PROTECT                  //Code protected from reads
#FUSES NOBROWNOUT               //No brownout reset
#FUSES NOLVP                    //No low voltage prgming, B3(PIC16) or B5(PIC18) used for I/O
#FUSES NOCPD                    //No EE protection
#FUSES NOWRT                    //Program memory not write protected
#FUSES NODEBUG                  //No Debug mode for ICD

#use delay(clock=4000000)

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:37 pm     Reply with quote

Okay, did you try to turn a single pin high and low using a simple delayms function to do a simple test first?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:05 pm     Reply with quote

yes it is also not working... :(((( there is a problem with 16f's :(((
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:32 pm     Reply with quote

Quote:
#include <16F873.h>
#device adc=8

#FUSES NOWDT //No Watch Dog Timer
#FUSES RC //Resistor/Capacitor Osc with CLKOUT

Why are you doing this ? Are you really using the external resistor
and capacitor oscillator ? If so, what are the values ?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:37 pm     Reply with quote

When I use crystal, I set fuses as XT. I tried a 8MHz crystal and two 22pF capacitors into ocs1/clkin and osc2/clkout pins. I also tried 4,2,1 Mhz crystals...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:44 pm     Reply with quote

Is this project being done on a real hardware board, is it all just a
Proteus project ?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:51 pm     Reply with quote

i also tried it on real hardware,again disappointment :(
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:52 pm     Reply with quote

maybe i should rework on timers but i dont think that the resource of the problem is from timer. (?)...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:38 pm     Reply with quote

Leave timers and PWM aside for the moment. Try getting an LED to flash first. A flashing LED is to microcontroller programming what "hello world" is to coding on a PC. Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:57 pm     Reply with quote

What do you have connected to the MCLR pin. Is it pulled high?
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